It's about time to expose a double face major spreader of global terror ideology and terrorists: Mubarak of Egypt
Exclusive detailed report from Sons of Apes and Pigs
The whole truth about the butchery and desolation in the oldest Monastery in the world, Deir Abu Fana, in Egypt
The details of the Egyptian government conspiracy, on all levels, in their continuous efforts of oppression and ethnic cleansing of Christian Copts and Christianity in Egypt.
Mubarak turned Egypt to a major islamic terrorists breeding country, starting by his security police, to please and cash from his Saudi masters and extort the West.
The ethnic cleansing of Christians in Egypt and in every muslims dominated country is the unmistakable sign of a coming Islamic upheaval in the West.
The diabolical double game of deception played by the Islamic world and performed, according to mohammad’s famous doctrine, “ War is deception,” by the king of Saudi Arabia and Ali Gomaa, the Mufti of Egypt to anesthetize the Western world with peaceful words of interfaith dialogue, while pursuing the “cast in stone” dictum, confirmed twice in the Koran 2:193 and 8:39, “And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and all religion be to Allah (the whole world converted to islam.)
The dissemination of disinformation and lies by the major Western press agencies is a flagrant complicity with the Islamic world, that caused already in the Western world the slaughtering of thousands, destructions, and still misleading the Western public which will lead to more slaughtering and desolation, and ultimately to a conflagration with unpredictable consequences.
The first hand account of the Abu Fana Monastery events
Since last Saturday, at 5 pm Egypt local time, we at – Coptic News Organization - were in direct, nonstop contact over the phone with the monks in Abu Fana Monastery, 190 miles south of Cairo, monitoring the events, minutes after the indescribable barbaric criminal attack by more than 60 muslims, round the clock, nonstop. We were over the phone, hearing the massive automatic weapons gun fire that you can have a glimpse of it in the video clip, which none of the so called major news agencies did.
The thugs, the followers of the butcher of nations, the laughing killer (this is one of muhammad’s famous name) attacked the peaceful, harmless, and unarmed monks in their desert Monastery of Abu Fana that existed 300 years before the curse of islam reached Egypt, and again spread their butchery and desolation for the second time this year. We reported the last attack in January 13, 2008, and a similar incident took place in Minya in October, resulting in 20 people receiving injuries. In total, this is the eighteenth attack in the last four years by the same neighboring muslim gang lead by a well known ex-police informer, and not one of these muslim thugs were ever arrested or prosecuted.
John 16:2:
“A time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.”
Matthew 24
"And many false prophets will appear and deceive many people."
Matthew 7:15
[ A Tree and Its Fruit ] "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
Results of the attack:
- One church was set on fire; another one was destroyed to the ground, Bibles, crosses, Icons, holy utensils of the Altars were desecrated, spit at, thrown to the ground, stepped and urinated on.
- Four of the monks were shot and wounded. One was beaten with iron bars.
(Father Bakhom ,Father Saweris , Father Veni , Father Micheal , And a fifth monk )
- Three monks and a Christian that was visiting the Monastery (Father Maximous, Father Yoanas, Father Andrawes, and the brother of Father Mina who was visiting the monastery at the time of the attack) were kidnapped. The three monks were freed from the hands of the muslim attackers and brought to the monastery the next day by the police, after thousands of angry Copts gathered at the diocese of El Minya, being aware of the extreme gravity of the kidnapping of symbols of the church, and the catastrophe it could cause in Egypt, and internationally due to the immediate reactions, and monitoring from all the Coptic organizations in the Western world. The condition of the three monks was extremely critical, they were barely alive, not able to walk or stand on their feet after they suffered indescribable torture for refusing to say the shahada ( Islamic profession of faith) and to spit on the cross. Every time they refused to recite the shahada they were stoned and even muslim women were spitting on them, putting sands in their eyes, ears, and mouth. They were lynched, lashed with electric cables, buried to their waist and stoned again, blind folded and attached to palm trees and beaten with wooden bats that crushed their back, arms, and leg bones. Their ears were cut; they were hit on their sexual organs. Islam and sex are inseparable (that’s one of muslims favorite treatment for kafirs), to refresh your memory, read about the Christian missionaries in Turkey, here.
Nothing unusual here, it's perfectly in line with what they're told to do, according to the koran, 8:12, " I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them."
The kidnapped Christian visitor, brother of one of the fathers of the Monastery, is still not accounted for. According to the three other monks kidnapped with him, he was last seen by them being tortured to force him to recite the bloody Islamic shahada. The fact that no words or answers from the security police about his whereabouts, and the fact he was not brought back with the other three monks make us strongly believe that he was killed.
The question that all the Copts, whether in Egypt or across the world, are asking: If the police succeeded in getting back the three kidnapped monks, why they didn’t arrest the kidnapers and the attackers, and why the disappearance of the fourth kidnapped person is still unsolved?
- Several workers that were performing various jobs at the monastery during the attack were also wounded.
- All the Monastery’s farms, including orange, citrus, olives, and mushrooms farms were destroyed and all farm buildings set on fire. These monks succeeded in the last ten years, with their knowhow, to set the standards for modern farming, and make the desert bloom in the land belonging to the Monastery, using the latest techniques to obtain results that could’ve been a model for all the desert land of Egypt, that represent more than 90% of a country where people are dying for a loaf of bread, and importing 75% of its food. But this is not how muslims think. Their prophet didn’t tell them to labor the land or to emulate other people success, but to steal it, same as mohammad exterminated the Jewish and Christian populations of Arabia to steal their lands and their properties. And what they can’t steal, they destroyed. That’s why their ultimate aim is the destruction of Israel for committing the biggest sin in the eyes of muslims, succeeding.
For muslims, this is called business as usual in our language. In their language it’s called religion, cast in their hateful, but “very holy” Koran by their thug prophet alter ego, allah himself. In case you’re just getting acquainted with the religion of the prophet of thugs, and not to be accused of making this up, read it for yourself, Koran 33:27, “And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (Before). And Allah has power over all things.”
- Chicken farm, fish farm, Honey bees, were set on fire and destroyed. They dynamited the fish farm in a way that the fish were sprayed on the surrounding land. No people on earth can compete with the followers of the prophet of doom in their hate capacity for what is good, and their love capacity for evil.
- The water station and irrigation lines were destroyed.
- Electric power generators were stolen, and power lines destroyed.
- Agricultural machinery and equipments were stolen or burned and destroyed (another mohammad’s islamic legacy).
- Construction materials and equipments were looted.
- Cell phones, Cameras, computers, money, and farms produce were looted.
- Eight monks living cells and living quarters for visitors that come to the monastery for worshipping, and monastic life seekers that were not destroyed in the previous attacks were all burned and destroyed.
The police, located 4 miles away, was called as soon the attack started at 5 pm. They arrived at 9 pm despite hearing the gun fire sounds, same as us, over the phone, their perfect knowledge of the gravity of the situation, the history of all the destructive previous attacks, and knowing, " their friends, and associates," that are committing the attacks.
After the arrival of the security police at 9 pm, the attackers continued their shooting and destruction till 10 pm, while the security officers questioning and interrogating the monks.
No attempt by the police, neither in this attack or the previous ones, to arrest any of the attackers, whom they perfectly know, or even to launch any forensic examination, or report the attack to the district attorney. Instead, the police asked the monks to call and ask the Christian contractor responsible for building the wall around the monastery to come from his house, located 18 miles away. At his arrival, he was taken to the police station for questioning after assuring the monks that it’s only a matter of procedure that won’t take more than an hour. The next day, the contractor, that was 18 miles away from the monastery during the attack, was officially declared arrested and accused of killing one of the muslim attackers.
This has been the famous no brainer trick, and pattern used by the Egyptian authorities, for every attack on the Copts, during the last thirty years, to arrest Christian scapegoats and accuse them falsely with various crimes according to the situation, and then blackmail the Christian authorities of the church to drop the charges and the case against the muslim attackers, in exchange of the release of the Christian “scapegoats,” and a declaration that both sides were equally responsible.
Let’s assume that one of the attackers that shot and wounded four monks got killed from someone at the monastery, wouldn’t that be considered by all the laws of the world to be a legitimate self defense? When you’ll see the power of the gun fire attack in the video clip, you’ll be the judge to answer that question.
The refusal of the district attorney to come to scene of the attack, the monastery, or to launch an investigation of the events.
- Through a phone conversation With Father Mina, one of the monks at the monastery, he Stated, “the police was so complacent, and several officers were just watching and laughing.”
Neither the police, neither the justice department represented by the public district attorney produced any details about the alleged, “killed” muslim, or any forensic or medical examiner autopsy report.
El Menya governor, police general Diaa Eddin Mohamed Ahmed Khalil announced on all television channels, with a very straight face without blinking and with no apparent sense of shame, that, “both groups, muslims and Christian monks exchanged fire.” Without giving any forensic proof, except that one of the muslims got “killed.” He just forgot to mention that the only weapons the monks and priests used, all along the Coptic church 2000 years of history, is the cross, and their prayers.
In another television interview, he declared again that the monks opened fire on the attackers, and a muslim got killed. Adding, “this is just a skirmish between two neighbors about the right of ownership of a piece of land that has nothing to do with religion.”
Questions: Since the governor is aware of the existence of fire weapons in the monastery, where those weapons are, and how come the authorities allow monasteries to have fire weapons? Doesn’t that simply means that the governor is not doing his job, and he’s not qualified for his position. But this also a coded message to justify attacks on Christian monastery and churches, since his declaration implied that monasteries are armed, and according to the shariaa law, Christians are denied to carry, or to own arms. This is an extremely dangerous announcement that means monks and priests are armed and represent a danger to the country that should be fought and attacked. So any attack on a Church or a monastery can't be viewed as an attack on unarmed innocent people.
The governor and the police authorities announced that, only, “one” muslim was a victim, from more than sixty muslim attackers, that should mean that all the monks were aiming at the same person all the time. What a coincidence?
The honorable governor, was making these statement as if he was the governor of Kabul or Kandahar in Afghanistan, and these are just normal events, or as he put it, “it’s just a skirmish between two good neighbors.” Putting equally on the same scale a gang of terrorist killers and robbers, and peaceful loving monks that deserted the world for a life of prayers, worship and productive work to benefit the country.
Saying that this, “skirmish,” have nothing to do with religion, is an indication from the governor that justice based on truth is not an option for the Copts in this case, as it was never an option for them since the barbarian hordes of mohammad brought their curse to Egypt 1400 years ago. His declaration is meant to be the conclusion of the case, based on his own falsification of the facts.
The stupid question here is: when muslims have disagreements between themselves about a piece of land, do they attack, and shoot to kill each other with automatic weapons, kidnap, stone, lynch, lash, and crush each other’s hands and legs?
And assuming it is a piece of land disagreement between muslims and Christians, which is not the case, is this is the governor, and the Egyptian government accepted standard to resolve that disagreement, by burning churches, kidnapping monks, forcing them to spit on the cross, convert to islam, cutting their ears, crushing their hands and feet, bringing women to fill their eyes, ears and mouth with sands, plus all what you’ll see in the video clip?
Let’s reverse the roles, and assume that the Copts attacked muslims over a dispute for a piece of land, and burned their mosques, destroyed their properties, spat on the Koran, cursed mohammad, kidnapped and tortured their imams to force them to convert to Christianity, shot and critically wounded four other imams, and caused what you will see in the video clip, would the honorable governor, the Egyptian authorities, and the media say that, “ this is just a skirmish between two neighbors that have nothing to do with religion?”
I guess you know the answer. For just a cartoon on a piece of paper, or few words on islam from the Pope of Rome in the context of an academic speech, they put the world on fire. They massacred Christians across the world, burned churches, bombed embassies with the latest one just few days ago, the Danish embassy in Pakistan with all the casualties and innocent victims blown to pieces. They terrorized, and still terrorizing the world with no end in sight. All this just for a cartoon on a piece of paper, how much more they would do if what they did to the monastery and the monks were applied on them by Christians, and by the Copts of Egypt? It’s no brainer, I wouldn’t even try to guess the number of Copts slaughtered or the number of churches put on fire. And it wouldn’t be only limited to Egypt, Christians would be massacred and churches would be put on fire in every Islamic dominated country. They are already doing it voluntarily without any provocation. So imagine their delight to have this hoped for excuse to indulge and excel with the most religious zeal in applying what they worshipped and prayed for from birth, to kill, destroy, and spread desolation and more oceans of blood, all this and more while praising allah for giving them the opportunity to fulfill his curses on these cross worshippers. This was, and still is their major contribution to the world since 1400 years ago.
One of the muslims’ slogan that became famously known is, “first the Saturday people, and then the Sunday people.” It is clear that they are simply proceeding according to plan. They effectively cleansed the Saturday people from every muslims dominated country, and are now focused to finish up, what they started 1400 years ago, the Sunday people, to guarantee their place in their allah’s killers’ paradise.
Another stupid question: why the Egyptian police didn’t produce, and expose to the world the weapons used by the “Jihadist” monks? But again, what’s the use of asking stupid questions to the expert Egyptian police?
And what about the weapons of the muslim attakers? But that’s a very naïve questions.
Two fire trucks arrived, two hours after the police arrival, and after the fire consumed all what was meant to be burned.
No ambulance for the injured monks and they were taken to the nearest government hospital (Mallawi hospital) in a truck used for animal transportation. In the hospital, doctors refused to treat them, to abstain from issuing reports confirming the cause of the wounds. Which will be considered aiding the cause of the kafirs against muslims. We’re talking here about the noble medical profession and doctors that swore to uphold the Hippocrate’s Oath, but this is now the Egypt that produced the most famous doctor in the world that also recited the same oath, Dr. Al Zawahri.
As a side note, we have live recorded confessions from Egyptian ex-muslim doctors that rejected islam after they witnessed and documented the intentional murder of hundreds of Christian patients (that’s the number they personally witnessed, just in the hospitals they worked at), per year, in government’s public hospitals, by muslim doctors acting with a completely clear conscience, and even admitting it confidentially, but proudly between themselves, and praising allah for giving them the opportunity to do it “medically,” and professionally. Either by committing intentional errors during surgeries, or prescribing wrong medications based on erroneous diagnosis. It is also a known fact that the medical schools and the medical board in Egypt are totally controlled by the Muslims brotherhood.
Back to the events.
The wounded monks and workers were then taken, after the intervention of Coptic authorities and lawyers, to El Minya city main Hospital. They were left in the emergency reception with no medical care, bleeding for four hours, and in urgent need of blood transfusions. The muslim “doctors” excuse was, “there is no blood at the hospital that correspond to the monks blood type.” Of course, their blood types is that of apes and pigs.
Immediately, our Coptic rooms on the Paltalk that were transmitting the events, nonstop, alerted the Coptic population and churches close to the hospital for the urgent need of blood donors. Within the hour, hundreds of angry Copts gathered front of the hospital, but were denied entry to donate blood by the police for “Undisclosed” security reasons.
While the condition of the wounded monks was deteriorating, the officials at the hospital announced that their injuries are very superficial, and only requires simple medical procedures.
That was Sunday 2 pm. At 2:30pm, Coptic Pope Shenouda’s office and the highest authority of the church in Cairo immediately arranged the transportation of all the monks and the other victims to a private Cairo Coptic owned hospital. At their arrival, they were all rushed to the intensive care unit, and all required extensive surgeries. In particular, two of the monks that were kidnapped required extremely complicated surgeries that lasted more than nine hours. One monk is still risking the amputation of his crushed arm, and another almost lost his site from being viciously hit on the head with the back of a riffle and the sand put in his eyes.
With the usual cover-ups and “Taquia” lies from all Egyptian government institutions and officials, the Copts of Mallawi and surrounding areas of Deir (pronounced: dare, meaning monastery) abu Fana in the province of El Minya, which has a high concentration of Copts that suffered the harshest oppression and losses in lives and properties from muslims attacks, and the government systematic persecution during the last forty years, and not one single muslim being condemned, started to gather on Sunday at the diocese Cathedral in protest, chanting in defiance, “ With our blood and soul, we will defend the cross,” and appealing to Hosni Mubarak, the president, to intervene and let the truth and justice prevail, and save the country from an imminent catastrophe because, “ The Coptic hearts are on fire.”
The attack on Deir Abu Fana last Saturday followed the massacre of a Coptic jeweler and three of his Coptic employees on Wednesday in Cairo, and another Coptic-owned jewelry store was targeted the next day, Thursday, this time in the port city of Alexandria.
The security police surrounded the Cathedral, since Sunday afternoon and provoked clashes with the Copts protesting, peacefully, inside the Cathedral gates.
On Monday, the spokesman priest of the diocese of Mallawi announced that the presumed “killed” muslim victim was known in the area, and his father declared sometimes ago that he wanted to get rid of him for being gravely mentally retarded. The spokesman added that this person never set foot on the land of the monastery, and no corpse was ever found by the police on the monastery’s land. He stated, very bluntly, that this presumed, “victim,” has been definitely killed somewhere else, and the accusations of the monks by the police is another deception by the police authority of the province to blackmail the Copts.
On Wednesday, another dramatic event that had the effect of heating up the emotions and disgust of the Copts in El Minya province. In a village called Dafsh, about seventy miles from Mallawi, a twenty five year old muslim killed his twenty two year old Christian neighbor by stabbing him to death.
On Thursday, hundreds of Coptic youths started to gather front of Saint Mary’s and Saint George Church in the center of the village, protesting peacefully, and demanding that the killer be judged and punished. The riot police dispersed them on Friday morning, using tear bombs.
Friday afternoon, they gathered again at the church in the afternoon for the funeral. After the burial, they were provoked and shouted at by muslim youths. The situation quickly escalated to clashes between the two groups that prompted a massive intervention by the riot police to disperse both groups and impose a curfew on the whole village. The police announced the arrest of the muslim killer and investigating the case.
Also Thursday: in the village of El Kosheh, which made the world news in January 2000, for, "The massacre of the millinium," was the scen of another dramatic events. A security officer driving his car, hit and killed a Christian copt, according to many eye witnesses. El Kosheh have a population of 35000 Christians and 5000 muslims. The police authorities provided witnesses testifying that it wasn't the officer driving the car.
Today, Sunday: The Egyptian government media is still insisting that the reason for the attack on Deir Abu Fana, was robbery, and to prevent the building of wall to protect the monastery. Religion and terrorism were not an issue. The slaughtering of four Coptic Jewelers in Cairo was also for robbery. Denying the jihad terrorism against the Copts or Christians is the surest thing for it to continue. How they would fix something that doesn’t exist. No doctor can cure a disease if the patient deny he’s sick.
This is exactly what’s happening in the West. The war on terror is a deceiving term; it’s a war on the symptoms of terror, or the consequences of terror. When you eliminate cancerous cells on top of the skin you don't eliminate cancer, you have to extirpate it from its roots, or it will spread all over the body. They may succeed to destroy some rotten fruits, but the tree is producing other fruits, every day. And the tree producing the rotten fruits is the koran, and islamic teaching.
These are not just words; these are simple facts that doesn’t require a high IQ to figure out, and time will prove it.
All what the Christians in Egypt and especially the monks in the desert, and native Christians in every muslims dominated country are looking for is their right to live and their freedom of belief. Is that too much asking?
Yes, it is too much asking according to islamic government, it's against islam. For them, the cornerstone of their religion is to kill all who don’t submit to their allah, Koran 9:29, "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Muslims are the only people on earth that it's against their religion to, "live and let live." Their "faith," order them to live and kill, those who don't adhere to the same, "live and kill," doctrine.
The question of all questions, not only for us as Copts, but for the whole Western world, who are the real terrorists, the ones that pull the trigger and cause death and desolation, or the ones giving them the means, facilitating, covering up and blessing their actions?
The terrorists are not Bin Laden, Zawahri, Zarkawi and company. They execute what they were taught and told to do. They're just the foot soldiers. You can kill them all, it won't make a dent. The koran is producing thousands in madrassas all over the islamic world, and even in the Western world every day.
Naïve those who will think that this is a remote Coptic issue, or that the silent holocaust going on against all Christians in muslims dominated countries is also a remote issue that doesn’t, and won’t affect the West. All Islamic governments, especially Egypt and Saudi Arabia are spreading the Islamic disease in every Western country through their well established bases, mosques, schools, muslim centers, islamic organizations and official missions. Jihad will always be their biggest export product, they have the money to finance it, as it is already happening now, and their people are already within us.
All these Islamic government officials, including their leaders (thugs), and their security apparatus that are the real instigators of Christians cleansing in their countries, whom they hate and consider them part of the Western kafir world that they’re aiming to Islamize, how is it conceivable that these same governments and their security apparatus cooperate with the Western governments or with their law enforcement agencies, with good faith, to fight Islamic terrorism against the Christian kafirs in the West, when their main focus is to eliminate the Christians in their own countries.
It is important to know that governors in Egypt are not elected, but are chosen by the president. In other words, the governor is only the mouth piece, and his declarations are dictated to him by the government and the president of Egypt. Never, in the course of these grave and terrorist events, Mubarak, the dictator of Egypt and the lackey of his masters the Saudis, which his era has been one of the most oppressive for Christians, never intervened or ordered an investigation. Would he be that silent if this attack, destruction and butchery happened to a mosque or an Islamic institution?
As for the moderate muslims in Islamic countries or their brothers and sisters in the West, their answer is crystal clear: they agree, there is no persecution or ethnic cleansing for Christians in their countries of origin. But let what happened to the monastery in Egypt, or to Christians in every Islamic country, happen to them and their mosques in the West, and they would put the world on fire. No need to waste more time trying to define moderate muslims in the West. They perfectly defined themselves, and made it clear on whose side they are.
These are the same Islamic countries that allowed the dancing on the streets, and distribution of candies to celebrate the 911 massacres, which they called, the Islamic conquest of New York.
Al Qaeda started from Egypt by Al Zawahri’s Islamic terrorist group,
The lies and deceptions about the Abu Fana monastery events, spread by the major Western press agencies
By Agence France Presse (AFP). Monday, June 02, 2008
Deadly Muslim-Christian clashes in Egypt
MINYA, Egypt: One Muslim man was killed and four Coptic Christians, including two monks, injured Saturday when a land dispute involving a historic monastery in Egypt turned violent, a security official said. Khalil Ibrahim Mohammed, a Muslim resident of a town neighboring the Abu Fana Monastery near the southern city of Minya, was killed during clashes with Christians, the official said. The clashes broke out when the monastery began building a wall around neighboring property after receiving final approval earlier this year. Tensions often run high between Egypt's Muslim and Christian communities in an increasingly religious society dominated by Sunnis. – AFP
No mention of muslims attack on the Monastery, shooting to kill monks. No mention of kidnapped and tortured monks. They call it, “The clashes (instead of attacks)broke out when the monastery began building a wall around neighboring property after receiving final approval earlier this year.”
According to AFP, the “Clashes broke,” when Christians began building …” That makes the Christians the guilty ones that provoked the clashes.
Christians didn’t go to clash with muslims, they were attacked in their own Monastery by muslim terrorists thugs. This should’ve been called: Deadly muslim attack on Christian monks in their monastery.
For disseminating this deception, AFP is very appropriate for: Another Foolish Posting
Sat May 31, 2008 6:37pm EDT
Egyptian Christians, Muslims clash, killing one
CAIRO, May 31 (Reuters) - One Egyptian Muslim was killed and four Christians were wounded on Saturday in a clash over disputed land near a Christian monastery in central Egypt, security sources said.
Muslim Khalil Mohammed, 39, was killed by gunfire, the sources said, speaking on condition of anonymity. At least two of the wounded Christians were monks at the monastery, the sources added.
The groups exchanged fire after Christians in the town of Mallawy, about 300 km (190 miles) south of Cairo, began constructing a wall around disputed land near the Abu Fana monastery, the sources said.
Same deception: Clash over disputed land. And then Reuters becomes the accomplice of the ultimate falsification of truth with this, “The groups exchanged fire.”
Reuters should’ve known better, that monks never carry weapons, and that the Egyptian Coptic Church has been called all along history, the Church of the Martyrs. All this proves one of three things, either Reuters people are accomplice, with the Egyptian government, in criminal cover-ups and deceptions with total disregard to the intellectual integrity of their readers. Or, they rely on sources that freelance for them in their free time, when not selling falafel and tahini sandwiches, or, their reporters job now is limited to copy and paste, which is exactly what happened. They should be called, Reuters C&P News
That goes for all the so called major press agencies, that you wake up every morning to be fed on their disinformation and deceptions, especially when it comes to Islamic related news.
To summarize: the major catchy highlight of the news reported by those agencies is: Deadly muslim-Christian clashes in Egypt, Both groups exchanged fires, and one Egyptian muslim was killed. The rest is the trash stuffing.
If 60 Christians with Kalashnikov automatic weapons stormed a mosque, attacking 12 non armed imams. Destroying and burning the mosque and property, shooting several imams, kidnapping and torturing four of them. Several hours later, three of the kidnapped imams were found in critical conditions… etc.
Would the News agencies call this: Muslim-Christian clash? I doubt it, but you are the judge.
One of the most flagrant deceptions, caught and exposed to the whole world, which exposed the major press agencies disinformation industry, was the shameful fabricated staged scenario of “Al Dura,” affaire by France 2, one of the major French TV channels.
On May 21, 2008, the French Court of Appeals ruled that France 2 correspondent Charles Enderlin and his Palestinian cameraman and France 2 stringer Talal Abu Rahma, staged the “death” of 12-year old Mohamed Al Dura in September 2000 to smear the Israel Defense Forces and blacken Israel’s name, inciting further violence and fueling the second intifada.
Middle East and media expert Tom Gross: "today's ruling shows there are serious doubts about France 2's version of events, and that the entire world press was irresponsible in being so quick to take at face value the claims of a local Palestinian cameraman, who has admitted his partisanship."
The question is: how many out there are disseminating their deceptions who haven’t admitted yet?
This past week has been very concentrated in events that kept us focused on a situation that is still boiling, and in our analysis, highly explosive. The radicalization in Egypt is gaining momentum and all signs are pointing to more dramatic, if not catastrophic events, and not only regarding Copts issues.
But this only reinforce our resolve and perseverance to fight islam, destroy their evil ideology, and expose it more to the world. For us, and the Western world, islam doesn't offer any other option, even if Western governments don't realize it yet. With islam, what people or governments don't realize is totally irrelevant, and past history is best proof for that. How many times people don't realize many things, but it never immune them from the consequences
We have several hours of video footage showing more in details damages and the condition of the wounded and tortured monks and other workers, unfortunately we didn't had yet the time to subtitle them in english. What I want you to see in this video, from the minute 1:33, is the barbaric attack, the fire power of the attackers, the damage, and the scene of desolation of what used to be an Oasis of peace, serenity and blooming desert.
Part of the transcript (a monk in an advanced position describing to another father in the old part of the monastery the destruction and the attack over his cell phone).
- Gun shots ... father .. father ... they're destroying the church of Pope Kyrollos (He was the previous Pope of the church till 1971, and one of the church Saint) .. father .. they're using the excavator to destry the building ... they're destroying the whole building ... they're also destroying the cells .. and the restaurant .. father .. they're going towards the honey bees building ... yes father .. oh Lord .. father .. they're destroying the honey bees building ...
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Assalamau Laikum all,
I am indeed very sorry to read of the plight of your holy fathers and your holy buildings.
I would like to know why, the fathers must have said or done something... something to offend, these things don't just happen.
I am sure that the moderns sons of Egypt are proud of their heritage too....Alhumdulilla!!!!....something must have happened prior to this abuse...please fill in all the details from both sides.
Naseem,details from both sides are there,you obviously did not read the article,i do not accept your weak apology,look towards your brothers and your filthy koran for the answers you seek.
This evil that is Islam must be defeated physically.
Remember Archangel Michael declared War against Lucifer in the Heavens, we must declare War against Islam on Earth.
Unite under Archangel Michael's banner.
Ban Islam for past and present War Crimes
Muhammed: The Con Man and False Prophet
As we are against terrorism in the world for the ultimate survival of our society, I’m offering viewpoints to win the battle against Islam’s goal of world domination, which is stated in their writings.
Muhammed and his sayings, found in the Koran, Hadiths, Sunnahs and Surahs, are the root of Muslim terrorism.
With truth and reality, we must discredit the founder of Islam, his sayings and the belief system that spawns this terrorism.
Let the world know that Muhammed, while in Medina, organized raids on camel trains hauling trade goods, and received twenty percent (20%) of the ill gotten loot. The spiritual mechanics of functioning as a Prophet does not mix with being a thief and killing for wealth.
Let the world know that Muhammed betrothed a six year old (6) child , in her ninth year (9) consummated their marriage sexually. He was in his fifties (50’s) at the time. The inner development of a Prophet does not function with paedophilia. Muhammed was a Paedophile. He claimed that Aisha was his only wife that caused him to experience revelations while under the blanket with her. Muhammeds counsel to others and actions, legitimized paedophilia through Islams ideology. What was the source of Muhammeds revelations as a Paedophile? All this is stated in th Hadiths and Surahs.
On returning to Medina after taking Mecca, he attacked one of the Jewish tribes, the Qurraysa. After 28 days of siege, the Jews capitulated. Muhammed immediately ignored the terms agreed upon as part of their surrender. He ordered and watched as all males from puberty on were beheaded in a trench. Their families were made to watch this slaughter of the male children and men. Some of the women became hysterical while watching the beheading of their husbands and sons and were also beheaded. During the slaughter, Muhammed spotted a beautiful Jewish girl and selected her for his sex slave. Her name was Rayhannah. She had to watch while her mother and sister were raped. Her sister was traded as a slave for arms which is stated in both the Hadiths and the Surahs. There were three tribal groups of Jewish origin and belief in Medina at that time. Those that weren’t killed or sold into slavery were forced out into the desert to die.
These atrocities are the actions of a demonic fiend not a Prophet.
Muhammed also encouraged and rewarded many assassinations in his lifetime. Murder is not an activity of a Prophet.
The fantasy paradise that Muhammed developed to entice the itinerant, uneducated Arabs to Islam is a personal bordello. This paradise in the hereafter shows a sexual fixation and addiction in the spirit of Muhammed. This is not the development of a spiritual Prophet. This demonic personality is no doubt the most successful con man ever. Muhammed has been more successful than Hitler and the Nazi movement in longevity, size of his organization and hatred of the Jews.
Compare Muhammed to all former Prophets and founders of great religious movements, East and West, and it easily shows us how debased he was. His organization was developed by tacking spiritual words to robbery, killing, conversions by the sword and terrorism with Fatwas which are all fiendish acts. This activity by his followers is presently seen on television clips with kidnapped, innocent people being beheaded in praise of Allah.
Last but not least, Allah was one of over two hundred and fifty (250) idols in the Ka’aba. After taking Mecca, Muhammed destroyed all other tribal idols except for the Quraysh tribe’s idol and pronounced Allah the one and only God.
I believe that, in warfare against terrorism, we must attack the heart and not just the tentacles of Islam with truth. We must not let this perversion of religion spawn numberless adherents to Muhammed’s words to expand their terrorism. We must confront terrorism head on.
When combating Evil remember: Appeasement is like feeding a steak to a tiger in the hope that it will eventually become a vegetarian.
International Ban Islam petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/MYSTIC/petition.html
Canada’s for debate in the House of Commons:
http://www.petitiononline.com/GUARDIAN/
Guardians of Democracy site:
http://mypage.direct.ca/l/lbouchar/
Unfortunately, Muslims in debate or negotiations are forced to LIE to preserve Islam’s integrity. This noble Islamic activity is called “TAKIYA”.
Naseem said:
Assalamau Laikum all,
I am indeed very sorry to read of the plight of your holy fathers and your holy buildings.
I would like to know why, the fathers must have said or done something... something to offend, these things don't just happen.
I am sure that the moderns sons of Egypt are proud of their heritage too....Alhumdulilla!!!!....something must have happened prior to this abuse...please fill in all the details from both sides.
You are a liar. It is obvious the Monks were attacked because they are Christians.
Also if they did something to instigate the attack, then why were they kidnapped and tortured? Why did their captors try to force them to say shahada?
Lady you are living in a fantasy land.
There are no words to describe these horrors, or the wrath the Muslims so richly deserve for their blasphemies. But the monks don't forget Jesus' command to love those who persecute you and pray for those who spitefully use you. They will be richly rewarded in front of all humanity for their loyalty to the Lord.
The Copts are spiritually tough, it's no wonder they are able to produce Christians like Matta El Meskeen (Matthew the Poor) and these monks.
Let's pray for the Copts and live holy lives so God will hear us.
Naseem is a liar, a proven liar - she said Robert Spencer expelled her from posting on JW when he certainly did not - she lied, it was Naseem herself who quit JW forever and then tried to get our pity by simply lying about it - Muslim style(that is, for Allah it is alright to lie to anyone who can't see the Koran as the ruler of the world 100%'s worth!) And then she told this stupid lie about the 72 virgins being in reality just 72 really great raisins - she wanted us to think that the suicide bombers got a handfull of raisins instead of 72 whorii's that bleed everytime you have sexual intercourse with them (which is 72 times a night)! She said this because her husband had just died and she couldn't stand to admit to us that he was in heaven making 72 whorii bleed a lot many, many times every night. So, she is a revisionist! She claims that the Christian that wrote the book was an extremely wise man who agreed with the best teachers among the Muslims - this was a lie, and now according to the Koran, that book of murder and revenge, Naseem herself is on the holy hit list. Now she dares to show her face here again - hoping that everyone of us will forget that she is a very bad liar - a very bad BIG liar. She is usless to us, you can't trust a word she writes - she is a liar, and now even Allah hates her -- raisins indeed! Naseem is hoping that she will be made the 23rd whorii, so she will get a turn with her dearly loved departed who died in a landslide because of a great Earthquake - or else he just left because he found some cute whorii's closer at hand , making poor Naseem invent her earthquake story to cover up the embarrassing truth, Muslim style!
Nasseem, you are as illiterate as your average Egyptian for sure. Here's a little background for your unbelievably ignorant ass about dhimmitude, retard: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1788509/posts
Hey, ever notice how there used to be lots of Christians in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, the Sudan, etc., but now there aren't? Ever pull your head out of your ass long enough to just look around and think for a second? Ever notice how all those countries were much better places, and not resigned to being backassward medieval hellholes once upon a time? Didn't Ibn say that the monks were not allowed firearms and that the only weapons they used were the teachings of Jesus Christ, dumbass? Did you read the part about their institutional genocide in the hospital? I'm astounded that you could even turn on a computer. Must have posted from a library.
The shame of Islam knows no end. Attacking Monks is disgusting. How can anyone justify this attack? Where are the Police or is it Police and law for only for Muslims?
SHAME on Egypt, SHAME on Islam, SHAME on Mubarak, SHAME on the local people for not protecting neighbours, SHAME on the Police they are not worth their name or their pay. SHAME on the Governor. SHAME you have no honour. Your SHAME is before Allah, who remembers all your actions, FEAR your day before Allah.
This disgusting sacrament of Isdamn must not be covered up. I published links on 5 blogs and blurbed one of them at Real Clear Politics. I also sent a blistering email to my Representative, Senators & Shrub, disrespectfully demanding the termination of aid to Egypt. Congress.org has a facility that lets you write 3 email at once. If you click the Letters to Leaders option, the public will be able to read your email.
Prophet of thugs,
Well, I think you are hired to start the deviation between Egyptians, from a musilm point of view; those monks must have said or did something related to muslims. after all we all must be sorry for what happened and wish that all of us be aware of the plan to divide Egyptians.
belive me all, nothing wronge with both relisions, since when and you are supporting jews and the poor israelies, on the top of that you are twisting the facts by picturing muslims as israelies ??
wake up man; they are killing and raping your christian fellows also in Phalastine. or maybe forgot that they killed your jeasus also.
what are you charging to post such a hostile article? who is paying you ? what is the benefit of motivating the hostility and hate between Egyptians ? do you want Egypt to be rolled or occupied by Israelis like palestine ?
please swallow you ego, and lets live together, my best friends are Christians and I love them and respect there feelings also. so please do so and try to reduce the amount of hatred in your heart.
God bless you all
Assalamau Laikum all,
Some interesting thoughts by you…and I would like to take issue with a couple of them.
Hal, give it up, your nonsense about JW is lies…I am banned, I cannot post as Naseem….so I no longer bother. And you have no right trying to hurt me by having a dig at my beloved Anwer….he is not here to defend himself….so leave him out of it.
You line of liar, liar liar…is wearing thin and boring….talk….don’t lecture.
As you know I am Ahmadi muslima…we have had our fair share of problems like the copts….but we try to ride it.
This problem for us has to do with the draconian presidential Ordianance XX (twenty) of 1984, imposed by the late Gen. Zia-ul Haq (and still in place), which criminalized the practice of Islam by members of the Ahmadiyya Community. According to the amendment in article 298 of the Pakistan Penal Code any Ahmadi who directly or indirectly posed as a Muslim by words either spoken or written or by visible representation, or in any manner whatsoever, is liable to rigorous imprisonment for a period of three years and to a fine.
Many Ahmadis went to jail for saying “Assalamu Alaikum” (Peace be upon you) to Muslims, and for displaying the Kalima “La Ilaha Illallahu Muhammadur Rasoolullah” in their stores, etc.
However I am not too worried….for I know that all will be judged by Allah and I will not shirk on talking about who is or is not a real Muslim. The issue is one of justice, survival and being chosen.
Many of you say that muslims do not use their brain. The religion of Islam and the Holy Quran however, completely oppose this point of view. For example, when it comes to preaching, the Holy Quran states to “Call on to the way of Allah with wisdom and goodly exhortation and argue with them in a manner that is best.” (16:27) Allah Ta’ala also says, “And we have not created the heavens and the earth and all that is between the two but in accordance with the requirements of wisdom.”…so please remember this and do not ignore our discussions.
Now Jdamn13 asks me….”Hey, ever notice how there used to be lots of Christians in Egypt, Iraq, Syria, the Sudan, etc., but now there aren't”?
Well Jdamn I not only notice …but actually I know quite a lot about this. I was trying to imagine how this would have happened on the ground in detail.
Take the generic case of a Copt Christian man called IBN who converted to Islam. This man would have lived any time between 700AD to the present day. The story goes like this.
Ibn comes home one day wearing a Muslim skull cap. His wife asks him….”who R U, and why have you come to this Christian house?”
Then she recognises him, hand on breasts, deep breath …she says….”OH! IBN…you scared me…and why are you wearing that prayer cap…take it off …it’s nearly time for mass”.
The man replies…”My name is Abdullah now….Ibn has gone for eternity”.
His wife knows that Ibn has a sense of humor…”Oh come on IBN, stop it now”.
MAN….You need to listen carefully now …”I am Abdullah…only Abdullah…I have been to the mosque, taken the Shahada, Allah SWT is my (new) Lord and the Rasool is his messenger, I have seen the light….and I have brought you a present”
She is nervous now….and opens the parcel with trembling hands…and it is a brand new black jilbab…..”For you my dear….and hence forth you will be known as Naseemah”, the little ones will be Aesha and Hamid…..you will love the sahada …I will take you tomorrow”.
She could only blurt out…….”IBBBBB”…I mean “Abdu…”…I mean ….and then she started crying….”WHYYYYYY!”
Abdullah said….”Stop your wailing woman, Allah SWT has shown himself to me, Jesus has abandoned us …where is he….we have been suffering for hundreds of years….we have no salvation, he’s not coming….no our salvation lies with Allah SWT ….Alhumdulilla!! I have never been happier”
However being a woman she decided to take the “argument” to bed….a nice bit of love making and I will turn his mind….yet when she touched his manhood…he screamed in pain….”careful Naseemah!”….I have also had the kitnannan today (circumcision).
It was at this point that she knew her Coptic Christian days were over, she soon started to wear the Jilbab, and Abdullah introduced her to his second wife Laila…and they all live together as a loving large family in Egypt.
Abdullah is altogether happier now, with new friends, he does not bother with his little government job any more…..he prays 5 times and reads the Koran as often as possible….he is fast becoming a muslim scholar.
Now Damn13…if you can imagine this loving scene all over the ME , you can see the virtual demise of Christianity over there.
Muslims prefer to live amongst Muslims and to borrow from Porsche advertisement, there is no substitute.
The Christians who converted knew this too….I hope this answers your question.
Naseem ! such ignorance of your own beloved religion is painful for us to behold - please, go back to believing that your departed husband is wallowing in virgins - look at what you are doing - change or soon you will be raisin number 73 - there is no 'raisin ' in Islamic literature or traditions - you are guilty of Blasphemy - don't believe me? Well, just read below! By the way, you said you were going to answer Ibn's long work up on you! But you have not - obviously you can not return an answer on even one small thing! Also, why did you say you were Banned when you quit JW on your own? Ah, Naseem, my slim little raisin #73.
Christoph Luxenberg's book, Die Syro-Aramaische Lesart des Koran, available only in German, came out just over a year ago, but has already had an enthusiastic reception, particularly among those scholars with a knowledge of several Semitic languages at Princeton, Yale, Berlin, Potsdam, Erlangen, Aix-en-Provence, and the Oriental Institute in Beirut.
Luxenberg tries to show that many obscurities of the Koran disappear if we read certain words as being Syriac and not Arabic. We cannot go into the technical details of his methodology but it allows Luxenberg, to the probable horror of all Muslim males dreaming of sexual bliss in the Muslim hereafter, to conjure away the wide-eyed houris promised to the faithful in suras XLIV.54; LII.20, LV.72, and LVI.22. Luxenberg 's new analysis, leaning on the Hymns of Ephrem the Syrian, yields "white raisins" of "crystal clarity" rather than doe-eyed, and ever willing virgins - the houris. Luxenberg claims that the context makes it clear that it is food and drink that is being offerred, and not unsullied maidens or houris.
Naseem (And Everybody) Here is perfect proof that Naseem is a liar who is clearly and forever CAUGHT and exposed! Why does she keep lying even though she is naked in her stupid and horrible lies? Because that is what all Muslims do! Not only to us, but lying is a way of life with most of them -- once again, Here is the undeniable proof that Naseem is a liar - and there is more proof than this even -- even Anwar is wincing under the avalanche, or under the covers of his new "wives"
READ THIS "Naseem ! We all remember well that big fat lie you told on J W Spencer about how you were "Banned" So, just to remind you that we remember that you are a liar, and to ask you why do you not do the same favor for us as you did for Spencer and his posters? Here it is Naseem, "Mr. Spencer....You don't have to ban me, I always said that when you don't want me here...I'll stop posting and so I will keep my promise and thus...
This is my ever last posting here on JW
It seems though that for you there is a way to go to learn about Islam...
know that like the examples I gave... many of the future Amerike womens will be called Naseem too.
Goodbye to all
Allah Hafiz
Ameen
Posted by: Naseem [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 28, 2008 8:03 AM
Naseem ! If she had reached for his brain instead of his 'manhood' she would have found that a bloody mess also
The primary significance of the Ahmadiyya Movement lays in its very pushy missionary emphasis, this is spite of the fact that all other Muslim hate them and concider them to be infidels, and ofter kill and harm such families as accept the revisions of the Ahmadiyya Movement. Every Muslim believed that Islam was the only religion free from error. The Ahmadis made it part of their principles to show the errors of other religions to their adherents and to proselytize energetically for Islam. In a sense, the Ahmadis represent the Muslims emerging, religiously speaking, from the withdrawal that had begun with the arrival of the British, just as the Muslim League represents the political emergence from that same withdrawal. They did this by being more accepting of Jesus Christ even confessing that he died on the Cross. Although the sect most attacked by Muslims in India and Pakistan, it has also been the one which has worked hardest, in both its branches, to defend and extend Islam against the competition offered by other faiths - They are listened to because of their slight resemblance to Christianity - so a great threat to real Muslims.
The Above comments Refer to Naseem's Muslim religion, The Ahmadiyya Movement. About this, she is telling the truth - no wonder poor Anwar ran away from home!
The Above comments Refer to Naseem's Muslim religion, The Ahmadiyya Movement. About this, she is telling the truth - no wonder poor Anwar ran away from home!
"Walid said:
Well, I think you are hired to start the deviation between Egyptians, from a musilm point of view; those monks must have said or did something related to muslims. after all we all must be sorry for what happened and wish that all of us be aware of the plan to divide Egyptians.
belive me all, nothing wronge with both relisions, since when and you are supporting jews and the poor israelies, on the top of that you are twisting the facts by picturing muslims as israelies ??
wake up man; they are killing and raping your christian fellows also in Phalastine. or maybe forgot that they killed your jeasus also.
what are you charging to post such a hostile article? who is paying you?what is the benefit of motivating the hostility and hate between Egyptians?do you want Egypt to be rolled or occupied by Israelis like palestine? "
What did those monks do or say to deserve this public lynching? is there any excuse to justify this terror acts?
I know why. It is Islam itself. Your excuses are bad or outdated not realistic. Aren't Muslim "palestinians" opressing Christian Arabs in Gaza? Maybe these Christian Arabs would live better in Israel than in Palestine as Israeli citizens.
It is always the same disappointment. Muslims opressing non-Muslims inventing fantastic excuse to justify these atrocities. It is tiring...
Walid said:
Prophet of thugs,
Well, I think you are hired to start the deviation between Egyptians, from a musilm point of view; those monks must have said or did something related to muslims. after all we all must be sorry for what happened and wish that all of us be aware of the plan to divide Egyptians.
belive me all, nothing wronge with both relisions, since when and you are supporting jews and the poor israelies, on the top of that you are twisting the facts by picturing muslims as israelies ??
wake up man; they are killing and raping your christian fellows also in Phalastine. or maybe forgot that they killed your jeasus also.
what are you charging to post such a hostile article? who is paying you ? what is the benefit of motivating the hostility and hate between Egyptians ? do you want Egypt to be rolled or occupied by Israelis like palestine ?
please swallow you ego, and lets live together, my best friends are Christians and I love them and respect there feelings also. so please do so and try to reduce the amount of hatred in your heart.
God bless you all
You are a liar. I receive news sources from Israel and non of what you said is true.
It was not the Jews who killed Jesus, it was the Sanhedrine who wanted him dead.
IBN Misr does not hate anyone. He is telling the truth of what is going in Egypt and other Islamic countries. You think you are talking to about a of ignorant people, but in fact it is quite the opposite. We know fairly we what goes on in Islamic countries and the Muslims do to the nonmuslim minority. We here not to spread hatred, but to stop Islam.
Still unclear and ignorant
Hal again you dream that you answered my questions and you proved that you even didn’t know your bible
You are proud that you are catholic and your belief is better than the belief of protestant..I know the difference between you and them better than you’ and if you know the reason that Martin Luther, created his belief you will feel shy to say that you are catholic
You know what Luther found when he visited Roma ‘he found the men of your church everyone has a mistress or more and they are selling parts of your God’s kingdom to the killers and criminals and those who pay more. They turned churches into prostitution’s houses
Hal’ do you ever heard about (indulgence)’ that what I explained above.
Are you still happy that you are Catholic ????
Hal I pity you really’ you did not answer any of my questions all what you said can be a preach in the church for idiot children because you even didn’t read your bible
Hal’ from where you got that name of the tree that Adam and Eve partook (tree of judgment)’ this name from your invention and the church invention
Let me teach you your religion
The tree in your bible
It’s called (the tree of knowledge of good and evil)
Gen 2:17 but you shall not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. For in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.
Hal do you know what happen after they ate of it ?????
I am sure you don’t know’ let me teach you
They became like your God knowing good and evil’ and your God became afraid of them. If you don’t believe me ‘ read your book
Gen 3:22 And Jehovah God said, Behold, the man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever,
Is this really God????????
Adam became like your God and your God was afraid if man will eat of the tree of life he will be complete God like him. What do you think your funny God did?. Let me teach you
Gen 3:24 And He drove out the man. And He placed cherubs at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.
That was the reaction of your God
Do you still believe in that God??????
Can I ask you one question?????
If Adam and Eve before eating of the tree didn’t know the good and evil as your bible said ‘why your God punish them?????
He created them ignorant and can’t distinguish between good and evil’ even if he told them not to eat and they will die if they eat’ they are innocent according to your bible because they don’t know good from evil
Do you think that this justice from your funny God?????
I think that this part of the Old Testament destruct Christianity
You said that because of hardness of the men’s hearts you God say so and so …. Are you really convinced with that or you are joking ????? . Do you think that the hearts of people became soft ?
Please have a look at your heart to see the hatred inside ‘to know that your bible is not God’s word
You said that: But it was impossible for us to understand love until God Himself proved that we should behave as civilized children of God
Are you sure of what you said???
The civilized children of God can say what you said to me ( The Koran, encourages you to lie to us - we see your sudden silence as just another lie - we expect you to lie - in the end, you will be proven a outrages liar,)
Can you tell me where in Quran God told me to tell a lie?????
I will tell you where in your bible you can tell a lie as St. Paul said
(Rom 3:7) For if in my lie the truth has more abounded to His glory why am I still judged as a sinner? )
Which bible is teaching to be a liar?????
You said that:
God cannot give you free will with out making you really, really, FREE!(even free to sin) For if one is not free to sin, one is a dead robot no matter how perfectly the robot might act
But I proved to you that the one you believe he is your God was not free of sins
Some of your Gods sins
Are these sins in your book for Jesus???
1-Jesus said about others dogs
Mat 7:6 Do not give that which is holy to the dogs
Mat 15:26 But He answered and said, It is not good to take the children's bread and to throw it to dogs.
How come the claimed to be a God insult his human creatures to be dogs
2-Your God said about his prophets whom he sent thieves
Joh 10:8 All who came before Me are thieves and robbers
If he sent thieves so can we call him (THE BIG BOSS)
3-Your God answer his mother in bad wayJoh 2:3 And when they lacked wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him, They have no wine.
Joh 2:4 Jesus said to her, Woman, what do I have to do with you? My hour has not yet come
Can you say that to your mother????
4-Mat 12:34 Offspring of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
Jesus insulting Israelites
Can you answer these questions again hal ‘and don’t dream that you answered me:
1- Can you tell me where in Quran and sunna God or the prophet said (sons of apes and pigs)
2-where in Quran or sunna that the language in Jannah is Arabic???
3-YourGod is a liar or not???
Jesus said to his brothers ‘he will not go to the feast ‘and he went after
Joh 7:8 You go up to this feast; I am not yet going up to this feast; for My time is not yet fulfilled.
Joh 7:10 But when His brothers had gone up, then He also went up to the feast, not openly, but as in secret.
4- Who is pedophile?????? -The man who married women and had children and family????????
-Or the one who didn't marry though you claim that he was a complete man (JESUS)?????????
YOUR GOD PUT ONE OF HIS DISCIPLES (THE JUNIOR) ON HIS BREAST??????
YOUR GOD TAKEOFF HIS CLOTHES IN FRONT OF HIS DISCIPLES...
Are those claims true ??????
Please hal think a lot before answering or ask others and I am sure that there are no answers
But I am happy to teach you your religion
GOODBYE HAL
MOHAMAD ABDURRAHMAN
PROUD TO BE A MOSLEM
MOHAMAD ABDURRAHMAN, believe me, I answered all of your questions perfectly - what you do not understand is that your many objections are built on a misunderstanding you have of us - Jesus is speaking in Parables, or, "saying which require interpretation" They require a human effort for full understanding - free will is important to us Christians because when one memorizes something without thinking about it in order to make it a real part of your own personal human experience, it become a mindless program or an LAW that becomes part of our behavior without any understanding at all - this is why we were once told not to eat of the judgment tree, but, as St. Paul tells us, we are put here only to know God better, so he says, "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." So the parables of Jesus and the story of His life, become fruits for thought and personal discovery - not a Robotic command to be super imposed over and above our FreeWill. We learn best by doing it ourselves our own way, taking care not to interfere with any others seekers right to seek God his or her own personal way (only this is sin!)- we invite you to this freedom - throw aways your religious computer programs and feel the freedom and the joy as you begin to use the God given freedoms all us humans can have if we will just reach for it first, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil second, or third. The saying of Jesus require much thought and interpretation - personal interpretation, as Jesus plainly points out to us in our Bible - not so with the Koran - the Koran is a computer program - definitely not food for thought! But Jesus says to us that the only work that God has demanded of us is to Know God Better and Better - surely, you do not think that you know your God, For example, the Koran says that God has no partners or son, yet often Allah (as you quoted above), refers to Himself as "we" - also you make a big mistake when you say that God went out of His way to Punish Adam and Eve - He did not go out of His way, but He simply related a simple fact, "If you tarry under the tree long enough to eat, you will surely die". How do we know this is true? Because afterwards he helped them - even making cloths for them that they did not need - from the first He loved them when they were seeking to learn the truth - so it is today. God didn't 'punish them in the sense you would punish - but when Bod makes a statement it is impossible that it not be 100% true. This is the true light - sit in it for a moment, they rise up and come home.
mohamad abdurrhman said:
Still unclear and ignorant
Hal again you dream that you answered my questions and you proved that you even didn’t know your bible
You are proud that you are catholic and your belief is better than the belief of protestant..I know the difference between you and them better than you’ and if you know the reason that Martin Luther, created his belief you will feel shy to say that you are catholic
You know what Luther found when he visited Roma ‘he found the men of your church everyone has a mistress or more and they are selling parts of your God’s kingdom to the killers and criminals and those who pay more. They turned churches into prostitution’s houses
Hal’ do you ever heard about (indulgence)’ that what I explained above.
That was five hundred years ago and since the reformation the Catholic Church has cleaned house and got it's act together.
The tree in your bible
It’s called (the tree of knowledge of good and evil)
Gen 2:17 but you shall not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. For in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.
Hal do you know what happen after they ate of it ?????
I am sure you don’t know’ let me teach you
They became like your God knowing good and evil’ and your God became afraid of them. If you don’t believe me ‘ read your book
Gen 3:22 And Jehovah God said, Behold, the man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever,
Is this really God????????
Adam became like your God and your God was afraid if man will eat of the tree of life he will be complete God like him. What do you think your funny God did?. Let me teach you
Gen 3:24 And He drove out the man. And He placed cherubs at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.
That was the reaction of your God
Do you still believe in that God??????
Can I ask you one question?????
If Adam and Eve before eating of the tree didn’t know the good and evil as your bible said ‘why your God punish them?????
God is like a parent and good parent punishes their children for disobeying them.
He created them ignorant and can’t distinguish between good and evil’ even if he told them not to eat and they will die if they eat’ they are innocent according to your bible because they don’t know good from evil
God created them as innocent, not ignorant. They were innocent because they did not know have the concept to distinguish between good and evil.
Do you think that this justice from your funny God?????
I think that this part of the Old Testament destruct Christianity
You said that because of hardness of the men’s hearts you God say so and so …. Are you really convinced with that or you are joking ????? . Do you think that the hearts of people became soft ?
Please have a look at your heart to see the hatred inside ‘to know that your bible is not God’s word
That is your opinion, which you have no evidence to back it up. In fact you are indirectly saying the Christians and the Jews have corrupted the Bible and Christianity is false religion and it is not from God.
You said that: But it was impossible for us to understand love until God Himself proved that we should behave as civilized children of God
Are you sure of what you said???
The civilized children of God can say what you said to me ( The Koran, encourages you to lie to us - we see your sudden silence as just another lie - we expect you to lie - in the end, you will be proven a outrages liar,)
Can you tell me where in Quran God told me to tell a lie?????
I will tell you where in your bible you can tell a lie as St. Paul said
(Rom 3:7) For if in my lie the truth has more abounded to His glory why am I still judged as a sinner? )
Romans 3:7Someone might argue, "If my falsehood enhances God's truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?"
This verse in no way encourages lying. In fact says because the person lies in the name of God, he is a sinner.
Which bible is teaching to be a liar?????
You said that:
God cannot give you free will with out making you really, really, FREE!(even free to sin) For if one is not free to sin, one is a dead robot no matter how perfectly the robot might act
But I proved to you that the one you believe he is your God was not free of sins
Some of your Gods sins
Are these sins in your book for Jesus???
1-Jesus said about others dogs
Mat 7:6 Do not give that which is holy to the dogs
Mat 15:26 But He answered and said, It is not good to take the children's bread and to throw it to dogs.
How come the claimed to be a God insult his human creatures to be dogs
2-Your God said about his prophets whom he sent thieves
Joh 10:8 All who came before Me are thieves and robbers
If he sent thieves so can we call him (THE BIG BOSS)
3-Your God answer his mother in bad wayJoh 2:3 And when they lacked wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him, They have no wine.
Joh 2:4 Jesus said to her, Woman, what do I have to do with you? My hour has not yet come
Can you say that to your mother????
4-Mat 12:34 Offspring of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
Matthew 7:6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
Matthew 7:6 refers to the Pharisees who were the religious fat cats of Jesus day. That made them big sinners because of their gluttony.
Matthew 15:21-28 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, "Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is suffering terribly from demon-possession."
23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, "Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us."
24He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."
25The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said.
26He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
27"Yes, Lord," she said, "but even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table."
28Then Jesus answered, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.
Jesus not insulting anyone. What Jesus meant that he was to administer and bring his message of salvation to the Jews first. This woman was not a Jew, so at that time he do anything to help her, but because of her faith, he decided to help her.
John 10
The Shepherd and His Flock
1"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. 2The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. 3The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice." 6Jesus used this figure of speech, but they did not understand what he was telling them.
7Therefore Jesus said again, "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.[a] He will come in and go out, and find pasture.
Jesus did not send out any thieves or robbers as this passage clearly states he is not a big boss.
John 2
Jesus Changes Water to Wine
1On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus' mother was there, 2and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3When the wine was gone, Jesus' mother said to him, "They have no more wine."
4"Dear woman, why do you involve me?" Jesus replied, "My time has not yet come."
5His mother said to the servants, "Do whatever he tells you."
6Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.[a]
7Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water"; so they filled them to the brim.
8Then he told them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet."
They did so, 9and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10and said, "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now."
11This, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed in Cana of Galilee. He thus revealed his glory, and his disciples put their faith in him
Matthew 12:22-37
Jesus and Beelzebub
22Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see. 23All the people were astonished and said, "Could this be the Son of David?"
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebub,[a] the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons."
25Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29"Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.
30"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. 31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
33"Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit. 34You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. 35The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. 36But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. 37For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."
Jesus insulting Israelites
Can you answer these questions again hal ‘and don’t dream that you answered me:
1- Can you tell me where in Quran and sunna God or the prophet said (sons of apes and pigs)
2-where in Quran or sunna that the language in Jannah is Arabic???
3-YourGod is a liar or not???
Jesus said to his brothers ‘he will not go to the feast ‘and he went after
Joh 7:8 You go up to this feast; I am not yet going up to this feast; for My time is not yet fulfilled.
Joh 7:10 But when His brothers had gone up, then He also went up to the feast, not openly, but as in secret.
John 7
Jesus Goes to the Feast of Tabernacles
1After this, Jesus went around in Galilee, purposely staying away from Judea because the Jews there were waiting to take his life. 2But when the Jewish Feast of Tabernacles was near, 3Jesus' brothers said to him, "You ought to leave here and go to Judea, so that your disciples may see the miracles you do. 4No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world." 5For even his own brothers did not believe in him.
6Therefore Jesus told them, "The right time for me has not yet come; for you any time is right. 7The world cannot hate you, but it hates me because I testify that what it does is evil. 8You go to the Feast. I am not yet[a] going up to this Feast, because for me the right time has not yet come." 9Having said this, he stayed in Galilee.
John 7:10-13
10However, after his brothers had left for the Feast, he went also, not publicly, but in secret. 11Now at the Feast the Jews were watching for him and asking, "Where is that man?"
12Among the crowds there was widespread whispering about him. Some said, "He is a good man."
Others replied, "No, he deceives the people." 13But no one would say anything publicly about him for fear of the Jews.
4- Who is pedophile?????? -The man who married women and had children and family????????
-Or the one who didn't marry though you claim that he was a complete man (JESUS)?????????
YOUR GOD PUT ONE OF HIS DISCIPLES (THE JUNIOR) ON HIS BREAST??????
YOUR GOD TAKEOFF HIS CLOTHES IN FRONT OF HIS DISCIPLES...
There is no evidence to suggest that Jesus was a pedophile. In fact you have no evidence to suggest he was a pedophile. Also we Christians do not know if he was married or not. If he was not married that would not make him a pedophile. There are many unmarried men in this world who are not pedophiles. Also these passages do not suggest that he did any of the things you accuse him of. You are just making this stuff up.
Are those claims true ??????
Please hal think a lot before answering or ask others and I am sure that there are no answers
But I am happy to teach you your religion
GOODBYE HAL
MOHAMAD ABDURRAHMAN
PROUD TO BE A MOSLEM
You teach Christianity? LOL.LOL.LOL. Dude you have no idea what Christianity teaches. By the way I am not Catholic, so do not say that I am a Catholic.
MOHAMAD ABDURRAHMAN, No, No, believe me! He said if you tarry long enough to eat you will di! Same as saying, "If you jump off this cliff you will die - honest!" Believe me, I answered all of your questions perfectly - what you do not understand is that your many objections are built on a misunderstanding you have of us - Jesus is speaking in Parables, or, "saying which require interpretation" They require a human effort for full understanding - free will is important to us Christians because when one memorizes something without thinking about it in order to make it a real part of your own personal human experience, it become a mindless program or an LAW that becomes part of our behavior without any understanding at all - this is why we were once told not to eat of the judgment tree, but, as St. Paul tells us, we are put here only to know God better, so he says, "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." So the parables of Jesus and the story of His life, become fruits for thought and personal discovery - not a Robotic command to be super imposed over and above our FreeWill. We learn best by doing it ourselves our own way, taking care not to interfere with any others seekers right to seek God his or her own personal way (only this is sin!)- we invite you to this freedom - throw aways your religious computer programs and feel the freedom and the joy as you begin to use the God given freedoms all us humans can have if we will just reach for it first, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil second, or third. The saying of Jesus require much thought and interpretation - personal interpretation, as Jesus plainly points out to us in our Bible - not so with the Koran - the Koran is a computer program - definitely not food for thought! But Jesus says to us that the only work that God has demanded of us is to Know God Better and Better - surely, you do not think that you know your God, For example, the Koran says that God has no partners or son, yet often Allah (as you quoted above), refers to Himself as "we" - also you make a big mistake when you say that God went out of His way to Punish Adam and Eve - He did not go out of His way, but He simply related a simple fact, "If you tarry under the tree long enough to eat, you will surely die". How do we know this is true? Because afterwards he helped them - even making cloths for them that they did not need - from the first He loved them when they were seeking to learn the truth - so it is today. God didn't 'punish them in the sense you would punish - but when Bod makes a statement it is impossible that it not be 100% true. This is the true light - sit in it for a moment, they rise up and come home.
Naseem said:
...As you know I am Ahmadi muslima…we have had our fair share of problems like the copts….but we try to ride it.
The question is, why are you a Muslim? You seem to be educated, so why continue to belong to a backward, savage cult of death? What is the merit in being a Muslim? I see nothing good about it at all. You can free yourself of this sick cult of death, no matter which sect of it you are brainwashed by - it's ALL Arab cult brainwashing. You have been brainwashed by Arab Cultural Imperialism. You can be free of it once and for all.
As for Jesus and the feast, if you read the previous verse you'd know his brothers wanted him to go up to the feast and declare himself openly so everyone would believe Him. But Jesus said it wasn't His time, and refused. His statement about not going to the feast should be understood that he was rejecting his brother's request to display power, or go to the feast in their terms.
Pedophilia because John leaned on Jesus' shoulder? Does everyone see what kind of logic this is? Islam, can you make an argument about Jesus without perverting definitions and inventing lies? I can't repeat the rest of your post since it's too filthy. Don't even try to compare Jesus and Mohammed the child rapist. Mohammed raped a 9 year old girl, Jesus never hurt anyone.
I have some questions about your religion since we're on that topic.
If your god is all powerful as the koran says, why can't allah have a son if he has no consort? I thought he was all-powerful. Our God doesn't need a consort for anything.
Why can't your god add fractions properly? When dividing up the inheritance of a man, there are combinations of conditions that lead to over 100% of the man's estate. This is impossible, and your religion even has different schools of thought dealing with what to do about the remaining percent over 100, so don't pretend it isn't there. So again, why can't your god add up to 1?
Special to marie:
do you know that you spend most of your life unclean and nobody shouldn’t touch you otherwise he or she will be dirty(unclean)like you ...this is according to the bible while you have your monthly period and after deliver a boy(40 days)and if a girl(80 days).
marie why 40 days when deliver a boy and 80 days(unclean)if she is girl .....?????The woman is down in bible
That what happen also to the mother of you God
Luk 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the Law of Moses were fulfilled, they brought Him to Jerusalem, to present Him to the Lord
-marie your hand can be cut if you defend your husband...bible said
-marie you are not allowed to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence.
And learn learn in silence with all subjection
-Marie;you can not talk in church and shame for you to talk
-marie; 100 women and others in the eternal life (Jannah of Christians)for Christian man
mohamad abdurrhman - why can't you understand? Our Bible is not like your bible - it is written so that we can learn to think for ourselves - we learn by doing, we work out our OWN salvation by learning to make free-will choices - our bible is writ large, in many parables, or, "sayings which require interpretation" They require a human effort for full understanding - free will is important to us Christians because when one memorizes something without thinking about it in order to make it a real part of your own personal human experience, it become a mindless program or a LAW that becomes part of our behavior without any understanding at all, like a robot, like a dead machine, or a trained beast - this is why we were once told not to eat of the judgment tree, but, as St. Paul tells us, we are put here only to know God better - we can eat under the judgement tree, after we have eaten under the tree of Mercy, and the tree of extenuationg circumstances. You are not getting it - those things you accuse us of are not in any way applicable to our practice of faith or our belief system or the any of our cultures - you are just not talking to us at all! This is why some of us refer to you all as 'Musbots' - you just don't seem to understand that people have indivdual personalities and need to live and learn their own unique way - freedom, real freedom, is an alien concept to you - Oh come back, come back to where you once belonged.
mohamad abdurrhman - there is a war, always a war, between your conscience, the perfect guide to right and wrong that God puts inside of all of us, and the written down Code we call the Bible or the Koran or Holy Scriptures or whatever. A war between your conscience and a book that powerful humans put into your hands and tell you that this book (their interpretation of it - this is the tree of knowledge of good and evil[one should not take orders from a tree]) is always better than your conscience - so, these powerful humans might invite you to ignore your conscience and replace it with their interpretation of what all those written words mean. But Jesus came to tell us that if we have love, our conscience will be able to interpret the book just fine, and we should seek to find out what those words really mean on our own - we are required to understand from our own heart, not anyone else's. Perhaps we have brain damage, and we are unable to know much about God - it does not matter, God knows what we can know, and how much of what we can know that we know. In the mean-time, we are to be as Jesus, meek and child-like waiting for help to understand God more and more, from above, from God Himself. and our fellow humans. When we misinterpret those books we are told to read, and we have lost the capacity to discern the difference between what we know, and what we are not quite sure of, we fall into sin - we are not listening to our God given intuition (conscience) and instead operating under the Law by rote and not by love. That is why Jesus says the worse sin is to JUDGE others, but instead to turn the other cheek. We need to know what we know, and, even more importantly, know what it is that we do not know. But, because we are brainwashed into acting like perfectly programed robots, we turn off our hearts and proceed mindlessly - this is Original sin - the one we are all suffering from without exception. The one that started under the Tree of Judgement when Adam and Eve were given a book, as it were, and told that their hearts and intuitions and minds were no longer of any use. We Christians see our Bible as Perfect, but we do not think that we understand it until we compare what we think we understand with the contents of our Hearts, souls, and minds. Look in those places before you pull the trigger on some poor person who has just started to discover that he has been alienated from his or her own heart, soul, or mind, by a book poisoned by someone else's interpretation of it - you need no one to tell you what it means - the meaning of it all has been put in your heart, in order to read them, you will have to open up your heart - best way to do that is listen to Jesus who says, "you think you have eternal life because of much reading in the holy scriptures..." but he who is closer to it loves his brother as he loves himself - God is Love, nothing else - turn the other cheek, throw away revenge forever - even in the old testament, God says Revenge is up to me, not to you. Open up your heart to us, we mean you no harm - we are only trying to live up to what I have written above - let us help you help yourself, for we do not help you when we take over your self in an effort to make your self into our selves. Is not a "self" really just a soul? Everyone is different and unique, precious and unrepeatable. Let them all go free. there is no life outside of perfect freedom.
mohamad abdurrhman said:
Special to marie:
do you know that you spend most of your life unclean and nobody shouldn’t touch you otherwise he or she will be dirty(unclean)like you ...this is according to the bible while you have your monthly period and after deliver a boy(40 days)and if a girl(80 days).
marie why 40 days when deliver a boy and 80 days(unclean)if she is girl .....?????The woman is down in bible
That what happen also to the mother of you God
Luk 2:22 And when the days of her purification according to the Law of Moses were fulfilled, they brought Him to Jerusalem, to present Him to the Lord
Christians do not follow the rules of the Old Testament because they were abolished in the New Testament by Jesus. Except for the Ten Commandments, Christians do not follow what you just explained.
-marie your hand can be cut if you defend your husband...bible said
-marie you are not allowed to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence.
And learn learn in silence with all subjection
-Marie;you can not talk in church and shame for you to talk
-marie; 100 women and others in the eternal life (Jannah of Christians)for Christian man
Nice try dude. Women had influential roles in the early Church.
Romans 16
Personal Greetings
1I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant[a] of the church in Cenchrea. 2I ask you to receive her in the Lord in a way worthy of the saints and to give her any help she may need from you, for she has been a great help to many people, including me. 3Greet Priscilla[b] and Aquila, my fellow workers in Christ Jesus. 4They risked their lives for me. Not only I but all the churches of the Gentiles are grateful to them. 5Greet also the church that meets at their house. Greet my dear friend Epenetus, who was the first convert to Christ in the province of Asia. 6Greet Mary, who worked very hard for you. 7Greet Andronicus and Junias, my relatives who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was. 8Greet Ampliatus, whom I love in the Lord. 9Greet Urbanus, our fellow worker in Christ, and my dear friend Stachys. 10Greet Apelles, tested and approved in Christ. Greet those who belong to the household of Aristobulus. 11Greet Herodion, my relative. Greet those in the household of Narcissus who are in the Lord. 12Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa, those women who work hard in the Lord. Greet my dear friend Persis, another woman who has worked very hard in the Lord. 13Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother, who has been a mother to me, too. 14Greet Asyncritus, Phlegon, Hermes, Patrobas, Hermas and the brothers with them. 15Greet Philologus, Julia, Nereus and his sister, and Olympas and all the saints with them. 16Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ send greetings.
Women were also priests and bishops in the early Church. In the modern Churches women have many important roles as secretaries, treasurers, teachers, lectors, elders, deaconess, ministers, in the Catholic Church as nuns, in the Episcopalian Church as priests and Bishops. For example I myself plan to become a church deaconess.
There were also disciples as Jesus who were women like Mary Magdalene.
mohamad abdurrhman(and Naseem too)- there is a war, always a war, between your conscience, the perfect guide to right and wrong that God puts inside of all of us, and the written down Code we call the Bible or the Koran or Holy Scriptures or whatever. A war between your conscience and a book that powerful humans put into your hands and tell you that this book (their interpretation of it - this is the tree of knowledge of good and evil[one should not take orders from a tree]they call the pages in a book, leafs) is always better than your conscience - so, these powerful humans might invite you to ignore your conscience and replace it with their interpretation of what all those written words mean. But Jesus came to tell us that if we have love, our conscience will be able to interpret the book just fine, and we should seek to find out what those words really mean on our own - we are required to understand from our own heart, not anyone else's. Perhaps we have brain damage, and we are unable to know much about God - it does not matter, God knows what we can know, and how much of what we can know that we know. In the mean-time, we are to be as Jesus, meek and child-like waiting for help to understand God more and more, from above, from God Himself. and our fellow humans. When we misinterpret those books we are told to read, and we have lost the capacity to discern the difference between what we know, and what we are not quite sure of, we fall into sin - we are not listening to our God given intuition (conscience) and instead operating under the Law by rote and not by love. That is why Jesus says the worse sin is to JUDGE others, but instead to turn the other cheek. We need to know what we know, and, even more importantly, know what it is that we do not know. But, because we are brainwashed into acting like perfectly programed robots, we turn off our hearts and proceed mindlessly - this is Original sin - the one we are all suffering from without exception. The one that started under the Tree of Judgement when Adam and Eve were given a book, as it were, and told that their hearts and intuitions and minds were no longer of any use. We Christians see our Bible as Perfect, but we do not think that we understand it until we compare what we think we understand with the contents of our Hearts, souls, and minds. Look in those places before you pull the trigger on some poor person who has just started to discover that he has been alienated from his or her own heart, soul, or mind, by a book poisoned by someone else's interpretation of it - you need no one to tell you what it means - the meaning of it all has been put in your heart, in order to read them, you will have to open up your heart - best way to do that is listen to Jesus who says, "you think you have eternal life because of much reading in the holy scriptures..." but he who is closer to it loves his brother as he loves himself - God is Love, nothing else - turn the other cheek, throw away revenge forever - even in the old testament, God says Revenge is up to me, not to you. Open up your heart to us, we mean you no harm - we are only trying to live up to what I have written above - let us help you help yourself, for we do not help you when we take over your self in an effort to make your self into our selves. Is not a "self" really just a soul? Everyone is different and unique, precious and unrepeatable. Let them all go free. there is no life outside of perfect freedom. WE CATHOLICS REGARD OUR BIBLE AS THE TREE OF LIFE - are not all books today made of trees? One of those trees has been touched by God it is called the Book of Books or the holy bible or the tree of life.
this tree of life, this book of books, is the only book in the world that will tell you how to be completely free - as saint paul tells us who are baptized, "We need no man to tell us anything, because we have the mind of God ourselves"
-marie your hand can be cut if you defend your husband...bible said
This is nowhere in the Bible.
"-marie you are not allowed to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence.
And learn learn in silence with all subjection
-Marie;you can not talk in church and shame for you to talk"
This rule is applied in some churches only. Tell me, can a woman speak in a mosque? Why do muslims force women to sit behind men in mosques? Why do muslims forbid women to get educations? Why do muslims force women to live in a tent with eye-slits as property of a man?
"-marie; 100 women and others in the eternal life (Jannah of Christians)for Christian man"
This is nowhere in the Bible. There is no marriage or sex in the real heaven. What you have written sounds more like the islam whorehouse paradise.
Since we are on the subject of women:
Why do women invalidate islamic prayers?
Why does the devil retire in the shape of a woman in islam?
Why did Mohammed rape a 9 year old girl?
Why are women considred filthy in islam?
Why did Aisha say no women were suffering as much as Islamic women?
Why do muslims today forbid women to get an education or marry for love?
Why did your prophet say most of the people in hell were women?
Why did your prophet insult women by saying their intelligence was half a man's?
Why did your pedo-prophet reduce both men and women to animals by forcing women to walk around wearing a tent and allow men to rape them if they didn't?
Why are there no prophetesses or deaconesses in Islam (I mean ones that haven't been stolen from Jews or Christians)?
With the usual cover-ups and “Taquia” lies from all Egyptian government institutions and officials, shown here by Ibn, we see such a sameness in Naseem and her friend Mohammad up there, that we know that almost all Muslims are liars - indeed, the saying "liar, liar, pants on fire" certainly does mean that if a person will lie for religion, they certainly will lie for sex! Liar, Liar, pants on FIRE indeed - stay away from them!
Stop the torture of peaceful christians!!!!!!!!
Naseem ! We all remember well that big fat lie you told on J W Spencer about how you were "Banned" You told that big lie so as to get us to Pity You and hate Spencer. But, just to remind you that we remember that you are a liar, and to ask you why do you not do the same favor for us as you did for Spencer and his posters, here are your very lying words Naseem, "Mr. Spencer....You don't have to ban me, I always said that when you don't want me here...I'll stop posting and so I will keep my promise and thus...
This is my ever last posting here on JW
It seems though that for you there is a way to go to learn about Islam...
know that like the examples I gave... many of the future Amerike womens will be called Naseem too.
Goodbye to all
Allah Hafiz
Ameen
Posted by: Naseem [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 28, 2008 8:03 AM
Naseem is living proof (see above) that good Muslims (and Maseem is a very good Muslim) will still tell big lies when they are able to - because that is what the Koran tells them to do - such a Bible! It even allows cold blood murder of innocent people - Wow !
Assalamau Laikum Hal,
You say "We all remember well that big fat lie you told on J W Spencer about how you were "Banned" You told that big lie so as to get us to Pity You and hate Spencer. But, just to remind you that we remember that you are a liar, and to ask you why do you not do the same favor for us as you did for Spencer and his posters".
Hal, this is the last time I will speak to you on this particular subject. Jihadwatch has banned me ...period....get that though your thick little head.
As to going away and not commenting on this site....I would ...if this was your site....because you are such a boring son of a catholic christian bitch.
But this site is not yours ...it belongs to one Ibn Misr as I understand it. When he tells me...I'll readily go...but I hope he (unlike you) will want to be educated in the ways of Islam....and perhaps even convert one day to "Abdullah".
Oh, Naseem ! I see you have said another typical Muslim Prayer for me - but proof is proof Naseem, here are your own words - here are your very lying words Naseem, "Mr. Spencer....You don't have to ban me, I always said that when you don't want me here...I'll stop posting and so I will keep my promise and thus...
This is my ever last posting here on JW
It seems though that for you there is a way to go to learn about Islam...
know that like the examples I gave... many of the future Amerike womens will be called Naseem too.
Goodbye to all
Allah Hafiz
Ameen
Posted by: Naseem [TypeKey Profile Page] at February 28, 2008 8:03 AM
There it is Naseem, and this brands you a liar forever doesn't it? Well, of course you are, after all, you are only doing what the Koran tells you to do, including your cursing of my mother whom you certainly do what to kill - and not just my mother, eh, Naseem? But also my grandmother and my children - no doubt you are ready to strap on your suicide belt. Just admit the truth Naseem, we Catholics know that all sin, but your sin can be made white as snow if you will just repent - confess Naseem, and you can come back into our hearts - but you are right Naseem, if you murdered my mother I would cry and cry and cry - and you say over and over again in your Mosque, "Thank you Allah, for this man believed you had partners and friends and relatives and Children and so his mother deserved to be murdered, or else die of the horrible cancer that I prayed she would die of."
Here is what Naseem called hal "son of a catholic christian bitch." Again, she reveals her true personality, and her true intentions toward us Christians - imagine what she would do to you if her and her gang could get their hands on you and yours (shudder !!)
'nother thing Naseem, tell the truth about Anwar, he didn't really get killed in a 'landslide' so that his body can never be recoved, but he deserted you for a younger whorii type didn't he - come clean Naseem, everyone is rewarded for moving towards the truth.
hal said:
'nother thing Naseem, tell the truth about Anwar, he didn't really get killed in a 'landslide' so that his body can never be recoved, but he deserted you for a younger whorii type didn't he - come clean Naseem, everyone is rewarded for moving towards the truth.
In defense of Naseem, Hal you have no right to question as whether Naseem's husband is dead or not. Because if he is dead, then all you are doing is causing her unnecessary pain.
Come on Marie, what are the chances that Naseem is telling the truth about anything? Exactly NONE - but if you want to believe this huge LIAR is tell a truth about her husband who was conviently buried under a giant landslide, Well be my guest - you are welcome to believe - but I am not going down fool's road with you one inch! If there is an Anwar (how romantic) he certainly is not lost in a fantasy land land slide
Odd, Marie defends Naseem as a truth teller - a truthful person. She actually is defending Naseem, a proven liar, and she tells Hal he has no right to treat Naseem as a liar - why would she do that since I know she knows what is going on with Naseem. Is she really against such deception? Well, I sure am!
Assalamau Laikum Marie,
Thank you for your support regarding my departed beloved Anwer, womens of the world must stand up and defend each other against the tryanny depicted by sons born of christian sows.
Only Allah T'allah SWT unbderstands my loneliness and the pain of losing Anwer, whilst on business he was crushed and trapped for 2 days in the quake.
He was brought to hospital with damaged kidneys and punctured lung. Although kaffur medicine kept him alive for a year he eventually succummed to infection and coughing bouts.
It was sad to see him like that and I knew Allah T'allah wanted him by his side, we started to pray 5 times daily...and when really ill he would remain in bed and listen to me pray.
My Koran shariff is stained with my tears falling on the holy verses when I try to find solace.
ONLY a hideous and true kaffur like Hal would want to make fun of that. He announces himself as a catholic christian...but I understand from what the rest of you say that his behaviour is against your (refined) christian values....so infact HE is the perfect liar...hiding behind your Jesus PBUh and throwing stones at the dearly departed.
He needs a good verbal beating...and yours is a good start....come on the rest of you ...tell that evil kaffur...joust if you will ...but leave Anwer out of it.
Marie, Naseem is a well known troll who was banned at jihadwatch. He is a man, not a woman, and most everything he writes is solely for the purpose of inflaming people's tempers. Maybe if you and especially Hal would ignore this creature, it would go away.
Mohammed, by failing to rebut my points I'll take it as your admission that you got Jesus 100% wrong and the Koran is full of crap, thanks.
"Marie, Naseem is a well known troll who was banned at jihadwatch. He is a man, not a woman, and most everything he writes is solely for the purpose of inflaming people's tempers. Maybe if you and especially Hal would ignore this creature, it would go away."
Actually we need Naseem to come to this website so that everyone could see what goes on in the mind of a true Muslim.
You guy! Once now again! NASEEM IS A WOMAN, NO MAN WOULD OR COULD WRITE LIKE THAT! SHE REALLY IS A MUSLIM THOUGH OF A HATED REVISIONIST SECT! AND SHE IS WELL INFORMED ! AND SHE IS A GOOD MUSLIM WHO PRAYS - AND SHE LIES BUT ONLY IN THE SPIRIT ALLOWED BY THE KORAN - SHE IS A LIAR, AND A CAUGHT AND PROVEN LIAR, BUT SHE IS ONLY DOING WHAT THE KORAN TELL HER IS GOOD AND HOLY - YES, SHE IS A QUEEN AMONG MUSLIMS, BUT FOR OUR PURPOSES SHE IS JUST ANOTHER BIG FAT LIAR - EXCEPT THAT SHE IS A GOOD LESSON IN MUSLIM PSYCHOLOGY - STUDY HER WELL - BUT DON'T EVER BELIEVE SHE IS A TROLL, SHE REALLY FEELS SHE NEED TO MAKE SOME CONVERTS BEFORE SHE DIES - STOP ALL THIS NONESENSE ABOUT HER BEING A MAN! SHE IS WHAT SHE SAYS, THE LYING IS JUST PART OF WHAT SHE IS.
Islam killed 1.5 million of my people, the Armenians, during WW2, and killed about 10 million over the fourteen centuries since that filthy, deceitful, mass murdering, degenerate, lying, pedophilic religion came out of Arabia. If Islam cannot reform itself away from the prophet of pedophilia and mass murder then civilized humanity should disinfect it from the face of the world.
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